John and Charles discuss how the doctrines of William Branham and the Latter Rain movement evolved into the theology of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). They examine the deep connections between Branham’s message, Paul Cain’s influence, and John Wimber’s Vineyard Movement, tracing how elements like kingdom theology, power evangelism, and fivefold ministry were passed down and rebranded. Charles reflects on his personal journey out of the Message, highlighting the dangers of embracing doctrines rooted in Branham’s extra-biblical teachings, especially when they become institutionalized in church structures.<br /><br />As the discussion progresses, the hosts emphasize that fivefold ministry—often considered a central doctrine in the NAR—originated in the Latter Rain movement and was further legitimized by John Wimber’s early teachings. They detail how Wimber’s later pastoral letters suggest a clear repudiation of these beliefs, even as he continued using the same language. Charles challenges listeners to investigate the roots of their theology, arguing that fivefold ministry, manifested sons of God, and positive confession form a dangerous ideological triad that has historically led to spiritual abuse and even death. Despite its appeal to many, they conclude that the NAR is built on a framework that was already flawed when it was first developed.<br /><br />00:31 Hesitation to Discuss John Wimber<br />02:35 How the Three Latter Rain Branches Reunited<br />03:57 Message Cults and the “False Anointed Ones”<br />05:56 Paul Cain and the Outrage in Message Circles<br />07:20 Spying on the Vineyard<br />08:01 Wimber’s Role in Kingdom Theology Evolution<br />09:05 Five Characteristics of Kingdom Theology<br />16:01 Power Evangelism and Signs-Based Conversion<br />17:54 Use and Emphasis of Spiritual Gifts<br />19:00 Freeform Church Structure vs. Tradition<br />20:29 Repackaging the Same Latter Rain Framework<br />22:30 Vineyard Splits and the NAR Structure<br />23:35 Five-Fold Ministry Originated with Latter Rain<br />26:01 Five-Fold Ministry as the Route to Perfection<br />29:08 Where the Term “Five-Fold” Came From<br />30:59 Five-Fold and Manifested Sons—A Package Deal<br />32:54 Wimber’s Subtle Rejection of Five-Fold Ministry<br />35:06 Wimber’s Gradual Shift and Hidden Retractions<br />37:55 Did Wimber Even Write His Final Letters?<br />40:07 The Real Harm of the Ideology<br />42:10 Low vs. High Settings of Dangerous Doctrines<br />43:33 The Pipe Dream of Last-Day Revival<br />45:06 Apostolic Equipping Happened in the First Century<br />46:21 Book Recommendations on the NAR and Wimber<br />47:40 The Vineyard Schism and Paul Cain’s Prophecy<br />49:02 Competing Apostolic Networks Today<br />50:43 Wimber’s Fatal Mistake: Granting Credibility<br />51:37 Where to Learn More<br />______________________<br />Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:<br />Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962<br />Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K<br />______________________<br />– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham<br />– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ<br />–
